Michael Jackson Biopic, Megan & Klay Breakup + Is College Worth It in 2026?

Is the Michael Jackson biopic accurate? We dive into MJ’s business genius, the Megan/Klay drama, and the college debt crisis.

In this episode of Raised by Her, we navigate the complex intersection of entertainment, celebrity culture, and the evolving landscape of higher education. We provide a first-hand review of the record-breaking Michael Jackson biopic, Michael, exploring the "artistic creativity" of biopics and the notable absence of key figures like Janet Jackson. We also break down the industry-shifting impact of MJ’s business savvy and his historic move into MTV and music catalog ownership.

The conversation shifts to modern relationship dynamics, analyzing the viral breakup between Megan Thee Stallion and Klay Thompson through the lens of self-care and boundary-setting. Finally, we tackle the "Higher Education Crisis," deconstructing recent Pew Research data on degree regret. We compare the long-term earning potential of liberal arts versus trade schools, offering a generational perspective on how the "student of the future" must adapt to a digital-first workforce.

Timestamps: 

00:00 The "Raised by Her" Welcome Hook
01:38 Why 2026 Weather is Trashing Our Immune Systems
02:16 Why Everyone is Wrong About the Michael Jackson Movie
02:59 The Truth About the Diana Ross & Janet Jackson "Erasure"
03:48 Jaafar Jackson: A First-Time Actor’s Masterclass
05:01 Why Critics Hate "Black-Led" Films (The Sinners Factor)
07:47 How to Tell a 50-Year Story in 2 Hours: Biopic Secrets
09:45 The "Perfect Pitch" Talent vs. The Joe Jackson Method
11:53 MJ’s Bodyguard & The Father Figures We Don’t See
13:04 Animals in a Black Household: The Bubbles Backstory
18:11 Michael: Part 2? The Legal Battles Still Coming
19:47 The Business Brilliance MJ Used to Own the Industry
33:54 Self-Care & Body Goals: A Word From Our Sponsor
35:05 The Devil Wears Prada 2: Did AI Write the Script?
41:14 Why the Fashion Industry Lost Its Depth
46:06 Megan Thee Stallion & Klay Thompson: The "Respect" Breakup
49:10 Why You Must Protect Your Relationship from Social Media
53:17 The Pew Research Bombshell: Is Your Degree Useless?
59:13 Leadership vs. Workforce: The Hidden Class Divide in Education
01:03:13 The Final Word: How to Live a Life You Love

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Right, right. Right about well, a part of it is our weather has just been pretty crazy. I mean, highs in the 70s and 80s, and then lows in the 30s and and 40s, and so back and forth. And I think that's hard on the body and the immune system as well. Yeah, the sinuses um have been challenged for sure. So for sure. And you know, we support um making sure we we support wellness and self-care. So get some rest. Oh, uh, oh, I plan on it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Like you don't have to tell me twice. All right. Um, okay, so when we were when we were reviewing um all this stuff from our podcast last week, uh, so people had a lot of uh feelings about okay, so we talked about the Michael Jackson movie. We did, but we hadn't seen it yet. We've seen it now, so we are gonna talk about our thoughts. Right. Uh, but folks were very impacted by the fact that we had looked at um some of the critics' reviews um before seeing it. So really yes, I'm gonna read you some of the comments that people made. Well, uh okay. Okay. Um, so one person said the critics gave scores based on what wasn't in the movie instead of judging the film based on the acting and content of what was actually in the movie. The movie producers chose to respect the wishes of Jana Jackson, Diana Ross, and remove their scenes from the movie. Also, the movie ends in 1988 before some of Michael's most popular songs were released.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Okay, that yes. Um I I think those are really valid points. Um, the special relationship that Michael Jackson had with Diana Ross, though, was very significant in his career.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

It's a part of the challenge that people have had with the movie, and some of the depth. Now, Michael Jackson's a man who's lived a lot of life.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

Yes, he has. Um, even though he um also ended, um, his life ended very young. Too soon. Yes, too soon.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Much too soon. Um, and so you know, I feel like you could probably spend two hours of a movie on every five years, you know, and still not get to the depth of all of what probably him, probably who he is.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

We're gonna talk about it though, because we now have both seen it uh separately, but we did. Okay, so okay, what else? Were people well give us some more comments?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

All right, so another person said it was a very, very, very, very good movie, and his nephew played the heck out of that part. Oh, okay. We agree with that. Yeah, I think I agree with you. Yes, he did a fantastic job.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

And he prepared himself very well. I think he went up against like a couple hundred people for this role, a lot of preparation. So because this was his first time. His yes, and even on the screen they said something like um introducing or something, and I thought that was that was great.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Yeah, I love it. Um, another person said, I love it. I never listen to critics because we all have different tastes. I can appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 4:24

Um, we all do have different tastes, however, we also those who sometimes have an opportunity to see and evaluate uh a movie can maybe give a perspective so we know a little bit about what it is that we're going to see, still make the choice to do it, uh to go and to see it. Because I do, I still might hear some things that are not very positive, but I still go and see the movie.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Um, I think for me it does still depend. And this is actually something that some folks have pointed out about me. I love to defer to experts. Like, yes, and I mentioned this in our podcast last week, that um I will truly listen to broader audiences because I feel like generally speaking, we might have um a more aligned framework in terms of how we view things. However, I highly, well, it depends, but I oftentimes respect the people who have a long career in uh whatever the profession, in this particular instance, like the movie profession and what truly goes into the cinematography and the videography and the and the clothes and the timing. I mean, movie making it is an art, you know? And so I'm watching it just for the entertainment um of it or the comedy or whatever it is. But I also, you know, I like to listen to people who this is what they do and this is what they've done for their whole career and their whole lives. And so I also like to consider their perspectives as well.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Well, I can I do appreciate that, and it is important to understand why it is you're going to a movie, why it is that you're interested in the movie, if it's for entertainment. And when we talked about it last week, uh and you said, well, we weren't really sure if you were interested. And I said, I'm going strictly for the entertainment. That was a guy I loved. I love my I loved Michael Jackson's art and I loved his music, and I still listen to his music, and right now I can't get Billy Jean out of my head. So I'm just in the dance moves and all the things.

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Yes, yes. So another person said uh that Hollywood has it out for him and still does all these years after his death. That was Janet's choice not to be in the movie and Paris' choice. Also, Diana Ross didn't want to participate because of their age difference in grooming.

SPEAKER_03 6:45

I'm not sure I understand what that means in terms of their age difference in grooming. What does that have to do with the content of the movie and the impact that their relationship had upon each other, actually?

SPEAKER_01 7:00

I think if you were talking to this person, they would say it was significant enough to be included in the movie, and they were upset that it wasn't. I see. Hard to say. Yes. Um, in terms of I did hear, I did see quite a bit of commentary because and we talked, we hit on it a little bit last episode that his daughter Paris um didn't attend the grand opening, yes. Yes, okay, the grand opening. And uh people were saying um that this all happened, like she was talking about some of the inaccuracies in some of her interviews of the movie, and people were like, but this was before your time. Like it's one thing to point out inaccuracies after you're already in the picture and old enough to actually have memory, but this is all before you. So how are you pointing out inaccuracies when well, that's an interesting perspective.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

It was, yeah. I hadn't thought of it in that way. Uh, it's a biopic. And so it it allows for uh some artistic creativity in telling the story because you're trying to tell a very complicated story in a very short period of time when you're doing uh filmmaking uh anyway. And so um, hmm, okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

I'll just read one more comment out of all the comments because we just don't get happy, which is awesome, and we love that. We do and please continue to to comment and give your opinions and your thoughts and and all the things because that's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

We we're giving our opinions and we're sharing, um, not only from our own perspectives, uh, generationally different, yeah, but also from uh a cultural perspective of how it's impacted us individually as well as collectively.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

And we like having the broader conversation. We like it when uh our listeners and our viewers feel like they're on the couch here with us. That's right. Absolutely. So this last comment said, uh the critics didn't influence me at all. I make my own decisions. Okay, work. Um, especially when they don't like a black made movie, i.e. sinners. They always have their own agendas.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

Okay, uh absolutely. I agree with that person um 150%.

SPEAKER_01 9:04

Cosign, cosign, cosign.

SPEAKER_03 9:06

Yes, well, because there is a uh a different standard and there is an opportunity for us to learn and grow as a people, but also um as a society to be able to see and and uh understand life from a different perspective. So I I I quite agree. So thank you. Please keep commenting.

SPEAKER_01 9:26

Please let us know what you think. And the their example is a really good one because we just went through it with centers. That's right. So fair point. Okay, that's good. All right. So now that we've talked about uh some of what our viewers and listeners thought about uh the movie, what did you think about the movie?

SPEAKER_03 9:45

I thought that um the movie Michael was outstanding. I thought it was um challenging in the fact that uh Janet was not there, uh was left out. Uh a lot of his story we already knew uh from well, I already knew, um, based on the fact that uh this started in the 19 his career started in 1968.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Real quick on the Janet thing, because Latoya was in it, kind of, right? I was like, I if you're gonna leave all if you're gonna leave the women out, because that because there he has another sister too. Yes, Reeby, yeah, yes, yeah, Reeby. I think she's like I'm like, does she have two lines?

SPEAKER_03 10:25

Three lines, you know. I'm kind of like with well, her presence was there on screen. Um, and if you really don't know the story, you might be just a little bit confused.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

I really don't know the story. So I guess to some people's point, if they could have again, I realize it's a lot to pack into two hours, but if she's gonna be there, you know, maybe a scene or two about who she is. Yeah, I mean I knew who she was, but um, yeah, anyway, sorry, keep keep going.

SPEAKER_03 10:54

I was like, you know, that was that was evident in in terms of the storytelling. Uh, and then his childhood was challenging, and that that was always difficult to to see. It's something that he uh sometimes talked about. And for those of us in the the music industry, entertainment industry, we we knew something about that challenging childhood that Michael had. I thought the acting was outside. Oh, his mom, yeah, long too. Yeah, she she was um all over uh uh Catherine's uh role. And I so they did an outstanding job in choosing the performers. Agreed. So agreed. And and the music speaks for itself, the talent uh speaks for itself, and I thought the other brothers that they had, um, the other four Jacksons that they um had.

SPEAKER_01 11:47

One of the things that I really enjoyed was seeing some of the development of his relationships, like his interactions with Quincy Jones, who is so instrumental in his career. And I didn't know about his close relationship to his bodyguard, who was then just with him and also kind of played that father figure for him, even particularly as he was dealing with some of his own challenges with his own father. And I was like, oh, it's awesome to know that he had somebody that was that close to him, though, in his corner.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

I did not realize that that relationship was uh so important to him uh as well. So yes, I I appreciated that role. The part of it that I I just reminded me of was the fact that he didn't appear to have a lot of uh friends growing up or or other uh other people in his life outside of family and in the music industry. And so the the bigger universe of individuals that sort of come into our lives as we as we know and grow. Um, you know, the close friend. So that just reminded me of that, which is why he um loved animals and loved to be able to have a relationship.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

I thought I loved animals, but I was like, oh my god. We knew his love of animals, hence Neverland and all those things. But like what you know it like struck me, you know, watching the giraffe and the the llama. I was like, no, this is a black household. And a snake.

SPEAKER_03 13:21

A snake. A snake? Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 13:26

Um, I was just like, I I I just I can only imagine what those conversations were, starting to bring those animals into a black household that's still, you know, some folks are like, we don't even do dogs in the house. You know what I mean? Like what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 13:40

The um the scene of the gym chimpanzee um was one that I think probably representative of the response of the black household because it was that was done uh for those of you who have not seen the movie, it was an early morning scenario.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

We should say, by the way, um, spoiler alert, because we uh that we are talking about the movie. So if you have not heard, or I'm sorry, if you have not seen the movie yet, then go fast. Seriously, go see it. Um but also fast forward and then listen back once you watch it.

SPEAKER_03 14:09

That morning um when when um his little chip chip anzi arrives.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yes, yes. Um is still alive today. That's what I heard.

SPEAKER_03 14:18

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

He lives um on reserve. Okay, yeah, so he's getting the care that he needs, and he will get care for the rest of his life. Yes. Yeah, his daddy made sure of that. Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_03 14:29

He did so.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Um, but also in terms of the the friends, um, because they they touched on that in the movie as well. They talked about, I think it's in this conversations with his mom, which I also, of course, really enjoyed seeing, and how his mom kind of got him and understood him. And so I think maybe also that was a part of the reason, you know, we'll allow these animals because we do know that you're not having a typical childhood. They touched on the fact that that was just really hard and he recognized it. And I think like at one point in the movie, he was just like, I, you know, people just they view me, you know, I'm not with them. They kind of see me as something different automatically.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

The relationship that he had with his brothers, um, I I felt was um represented well and uh challenging in the sense that he, the youngest, was the star in a sense, and yet uh they all were talented, but in a different way, especially when he decided to go out uh on his own. And I I thought that has to be hard, but it was necessary in order for him to continue moving uh forward in his artistry and his creativity, and it was difficult for him to leave Motown. And again, if you have read any of the the uh books or knew anything about the story or seen any other of the previous uh television series or or movies, that was uh that was hard.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

I didn't realize that they had lived in the speaking of how close the family was, I didn't realize that they had lived in the same house all together. Did you know that?

SPEAKER_03 16:03

Uh I only knew that because it was brought out before. Okay. So okay. I but the close relationship. I mean we can be close, but in the same home, everybody.

SPEAKER_01 16:12

Everybody. Oh my goodness. Yeah, that uh my choice too, not out of necessity.

SPEAKER_03 16:18

It was huge, um very large, large family. In fact, the um his nephew uh talks about the fact that that's how he knew his uncle because they were all there together and he admired him, and then he decided to wanting to portray him.

SPEAKER_01 16:36

So one of the things that I also, by the way, really loved um those uh the moments with him and his mom watching the old movies.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

I didn't know that he loved old movies or they loved old movies, and that was part of that.

SPEAKER_02 16:51

So I was like, oh my god, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 16:52

So favorite part of the movie? So many things. I don't I the acting. Okay. Um the overall storytelling, I guess, but I wish that it would have gone deeper. And you mentioned the closeness of the brothers. That's a part of the criticism as well, because they're like, uh the movie's not being honest about how tricky those relationships truly were. You mentioned when Michael came out as the star, even as the youngest brother. I have heard that Jermaine in particular, but all of them had a particular problem with that, that that never truly left. And it really, really played into those dynamics. And it's one of the things that's highlighted, you know, when they all left Motown and Jermaine stayed at Motown.

SPEAKER_03 17:49

Yes. Well, he had a different relationship at Motown. Jermaine did. So did he in terms, yes. Uh, and so you didn't dig into that? I mean, I know it's not Jermaine's story, but I'm like, it made me have more questions. Okay. Well, um, you can you can I can look it up.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

You can look it up on it, just Google.

SPEAKER_03 18:05

Well, I um there's just some things that I um that I know because of some other relationships. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know you have some insider information. Well, yeah. Um, but I think it it allows for us today in 2026 to celebrate the brilliance and the creativity, even though there are many challenges that uh Michael had in his life. And as they tell the next story, because they're supposed to be a part two.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

They're already in talks, yeah. And it's publicizing their talks now. So not surprising based on the success. I mean, well, that's yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 18:41

But they're going to have to negotiate with some of the individuals who have uh have sued him and even the sued uh uh the family and sued Michael and sued the estate and so of the movie, uh because of some of the uh things that uh they had to leave out um of the movie, but they had it in, and so there are allegations that people feel need to be addressed. And so the second movie, it's it's my understanding that they're going to be addressing some of those, but they can't do it now until they um have some more discussions and there is some kind of agreement with those individuals who insisted that things be left out of this first movie.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Well, that makes sense. Because this this movie ends in 1988, and so uh that makes sense because you can't go much past 1988 and not get into some of the controversies um that really started to to plague him. One of the things that I wished that the movie had hit on more too was how business savvy and how brilliant. I mean, it got into how brilliant he was, uh, but not so much from like just I wanted more of the business of it. Like one of my favorite scenes is when he was sitting um in front of oh, which record exec was it? Anyway, where he was talking about wanting to get on MTV. Oh, yes, you know, and he knew how powerful that would be, but that wasn't the only decision. I mean, um, and actually this would have happened when the story was being told because I think in 1985 is when he started uh getting the masters and started buying up different catalogs and again, like the business savvy of this man. He became one of the most powerful business people in the music industry. That's that didn't happen, but but they didn't dig into that aspect of the brilliance.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

I I believe that uh what Michael was doing, he was studying the business side of uh the industry. He had some really good advisors. And uh you mentioned Diana Ross before, you mentioned um Quincy Jones. He also had some people that were trying to protect him because they recognized what a star he was, not just as a part of the Jackson Five, but then when he started to break away, they realized that he was going to be one of the biggest uh stars in the music industry. And the industry was changing as well. The the scene that you just mentioned uh with your record executives and MTV, uh MTV had come out um as a a new uh entity and it was the beginning of the videos and uh making music. When that started happening, it changed the music industry uh totally. Before we were just listening, we weren't uh watching videos, we were we were not watching uh the entertainer uh entertainers like that. To see the entertainers, you'd either have to either have to see them on television or you'd have to go to a concert. So now you have this whole network of MTV and you have this whole new industry that was created. And he realized, as you said, how important that was, but they were not including black people. At that time.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

He showed up in that room. He was like, This is what I bring to the table. You know, he'd already like had his success, and then he's like, you know, make it happen. I just I love it. So he loved the how he came into the rooms, came into rooms, period. Right. Like he, like, yes. Just yes, with the confidence and having all of that ongoing hard work. Uh, because he worked so hard. I think the the movie did do a good job of highlighting that.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

So think about that. You have this man who is talent and he's brilliant on the one end, but he's childlike on the other side. And so just handling those kind of emotions has to be very, very challenging for an individual to sit in a room and to know that you have something that is unique, something that's different, and something that the world is craving for, and you want to give it, and yet you have this other very childlike side. He's a very complex man.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yes, he's a very complex man for sure. Um, what did you think of the Peter Pan scenario, the nose job, the starting, um how they chose to depict all of that and how it started?

SPEAKER_03 23:19

The the problems that we have as uh human beings is uh how we see ourselves many times. Yeah. We look in the mirror and we don't see what other people see. We look in the mirror and we see the imperfections. And so the there was a scene where his father talked about his big nose. Yeah. And so obviously that impacted him. There um, I believe the scenes where he was going through his own image comparing himself to others. So you you start to do things to uh make yourself differently uh make yourself different in trying to become what it is either you need uh deep down inside or that you think that other other people want to see. Yeah. So that was um it saddened me because I I understood. Um and we as women, a lot of times, uh, we see these magazine images of people and we see them on television, and everybody wants to be the size. We used to say back in the day, Twiggy. Do you know who Twiggy was? Yeah, the model. The model. Now she was so thin, nobody should want to be that size, but uh years ago have different body types. Well, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Um that is true. One of my favorite um lines from the Beyonce song, uh Negro Nose. Um, what was it? Like, I love my Negro nose with the Jackson 5 nostrils. Like I bounce around and I sing that because yeah. Yeah, because we we do, we have it. It's a it's a part of our culture. It is a part of our culture. Movie did a really good job of honoring no, no, I'm sorry, not the movie. Well, yes, the movie too, but he like I didn't realize um that he got involved in uh some of the gang conversations. Um gang conversations. I don't know if gangs have conversations, but you know, uh, but you know, use them as inspiration for some of the dance moves. One of the first things I did after I left the theater was Google, like, did he have any formal dance training? No.

SPEAKER_03 25:19

Oh, I didn't know that. No, I didn't know he didn't have so the choreography and the movements and all of that, he was naturally talented, and then they were able to it was instinct, and then he did have people that he would emulate that um have been inspiration for him.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

But in terms of like, oh, my child really enjoys dance, let me start them in, you know, some type of dance training, you know, at a young age, none of that.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

So let me tell you about growing up at that particular time in life. So it was um so exciting to be able to see the Jackson Five and to see them on the uh Ed Sullivan show and to have people talking about it. And then the music was just so so good and so wonderful. So as uh as a teenager and a young woman, it was like, wow, and at that time I didn't even know I was gonna go into the music and entertainment industry, and it allowed us to be able to really love the positive side of music and what he had to uh what the Jackson 5 at that point, but particularly Michael, but he was a little boy, and so you know, we were just just looking at this little boy and um being able to really appreciate it. And I mentioned uh when we talked about this before, that uh I was uh junior or senior in college and they were performing at the Ohio State Fair, and uh my boyfriend at that time had uh was working at one of the TV stations, and I got to go backstage, I got to um get the backstage passes and to meet to um to to meet them all. And uh so it was if you can remember. Well, two things I remember. Okay. One, I remember that they were sweating of stories. Yes. Yes, yes, excuse me. And um so and it and it was exciting, and they were very warm and receptive to all the people who were backstage and and to be able to uh to to meet them. And I remember thinking to myself, it's wonderful to be able to see these stars, and they're just like we are, you know, even though they're uh larger than life in some instance, but they were people too.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

One of the things that I feel like we very much try to live and have implemented in various ways into our life that I don't know if he must have said it in the movie because I I wrote it down. He said, if I can see it, I can do it. And I feel like that's really how he kind of lived his life because nobody could see the vision that he could see, but he was so set on it because he was like, I could I can see it, you know, type thing. So I just um I'm a fan. I I yes, go see Michael, and it's it's deserving of all the accolades that it's getting. And I very much look forward to the next movie, and I hope that they go even deeper, um, as deep as legally allowed. Right, as legally allowed.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

The number one biopic um in the world, uh, made over um 200 million dollars uh the premier week, the first week that it it came out, and it knocked out straight out of Compton uh as the number one grossing film before. So did you see Straight Outta Compton? So yes. Oh, you did? That's not what I expected you to say. I know. Only because people kept talking about it, and uh I did not um I didn't see it when it first came out.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

This was you weren't there on premier night.

SPEAKER_03 28:58

No, I was not there. I was not, and you know I had a problem with the language, so but yeah, yes, and that was even way back then, so uh it's um but it told a story in in terms of the truth, and so um, and you talked about the uh the gangs that Michael um I think tried to influence in a positive way. Um now that's a really for those of you who haven't seen the movie, that's a really powerful scene, and you'll see how it influenced his music in into the future. But one other thing I'll I'll say is he had a heart for children, he had a heart for um young people and going into the uh the hospitals and and really trying to uh oh yeah, they did a good job of showing the humanity of him. Yes, and I I think that's uh because I think he understood in in terms of sometimes not feeling that you're whole and full and being less than, even though he was Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Um one other thing I just want to ask you about this, because I thought it was an interesting point that Joe Jackson said to to somebody when he was trying to justify his behavior, um, that Michael wouldn't be who he is without you know that early discipline and that early hard work, that he's the reason that um, you know, Michael had that foundation to then build off of.

SPEAKER_03 30:24

I think it was uh when um Suzanne De Pass uh discovered him uh and then brought him to Motown, and Barry Gordy was sitting there with him and hearing him, and he said, You have he has perfect pitch. When you see someone who is that talented, and remember he's kept moving and then that's why I had to look out. I was like, was he born dancing? Exactly. Um, you know, he you know, just just uh stop moving and love singing. And um I I believe that uh it when you have perfect pitch and when you have that kind of innate talent, uh it does need to be brought out. Now, what uh Joe Jackson did, uh I think um that was it's just challenging to have a father who was that uh determined and then that really unkind to his um perhaps his children, but um particularly to his his youngest child in that way. But it was um Joe Jackson can say I am the reason if he believes that, but Michael's talent would have come out at some time in some other instance. We don't exactly know how, but um there are all these different forces in the universe that help you to become who you are, and you just need to know that. There's not just one way.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Oh, for sure, for sure. I mean, I you're right. We I mean, Joe Jackson and his parenting is a whole conversation um or lack of parenting, depending on how you look at it. Um, but I do the discipline that was instilled in Michael Jackson at a very early age, yes, I think absolutely contributed to his quick success.

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Yes, young, yes. Being so successful, um, very young. But think about the father role in many of our stars, whether it's athletes or other entertainers, or whether it's um someone I I remember the um uh Tiger Woods' father and the role that he played uh introducing his his son to golf at a very uh young age. Among other things.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

Well, but yes, we'll focus on the golf, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 32:37

Yeah, well, I but no, I mean it it it's being able to understand what that unique talent is and then being able to bring it out in an ideally healthy way. In an ideally healthy way. Yes. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

Anything else you want to mention on the movie before we move on to movie number two? Is it I'm gonna go see it again.

SPEAKER_03 32:57

Are you really? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

So uh I can see I would watch it again. I don't know if I'll go back to the theater and see it, but I look forward to the streaming.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

I want to see it on the big screen again because I just enjoyed all that.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

I told you we went to the IMAX theater because I wanted to I wanted to hear the um the music and but it was too loud, so then we had to go back and get uh tickets for one of the other theaters because it was just that uh I didn't know that his hair uh catching on fire was as obviously I remember it happening and it being in the news. I didn't realize it was as severe as it was.

SPEAKER_03 33:33

Yes, I I I remember that, but of course um Well, you just that's true.

SPEAKER_01 33:37

How old was I? Fair point. That's true. Um so yeah, we co-signed the movie, we found it extremely valuable, not just in terms of entertainment, but also in terms of life lessons. We uh we're here for Michael Jackson. Yeah, yeah.

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SPEAKER_01 35:04

Okay, so then there's another movie that came out um around the same time that's gotten a ton of promotion. The Devil Wears Prada 2. We were big fans of The Devil Wears Prada 1. So we um I was excited to see it. I think that's accurate to say. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:24

I I think so. Um one of my friends indicated that um she was surprised at how much promotion and marketing that they had for for this movie. And so she was absolutely um certain that they were trying to get more people to go see the uh devil wears Prada so that it could compete in some instance with uh with Michael. And so it it sort of reminds me of what um the person who wrote in said about um black movies or movies that have an interest in terms of um black people. Um, why did you like the first movie before we go too into the second?

SPEAKER_01 36:04

It was different, it was uh fabulous in terms of the fashion. And uh Meryl Streep, of course, is just an unbelievable talent. And I enjoy watching her at every stage of her career. Um, and so she, you know, she um she owned that role. Yeah, she owned that role. I thought it was also an interesting insight into somebody who because that her character was framed um off of uh Wintour, Hannah Wintour. Yeah. And so I who's um I find now I'm not obviously like deep into the the world of fashion or anything, but I find her to be like a bit elusive. People kind of don't really know unless you truly know, you know, she always has on the sunglasses, so you can't really like see the eyes into the soul type thing, you know. Right. And so I thought that part was interesting in terms of like their take on this character that's supposed to be um framed after her.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

In the first movie, um, I believe that it was so very popular because they felt like that they hit the mark in terms of the character and that people in the industry really embraced the way that um Roll Street portrayed not only the industry, but that character and how how difficult it is to be able to be successful, but how you have to have a talent, you have to have the eye, you have to be an artist, but you also have to understand the trends of fashion and what women want. I mean, come on, that's difficult across the board.

SPEAKER_01 37:40

I also think that the character of Andy, uh, the main character, was likable and relatable in the first story. You know, people are like, yeah, you know, I I know what it's like to have that that first job that's just so hard, that boss who's impossible to please, and you just don't know, but then you're trying your hardest, and you're just and so I think that's probably um another part of like why I like the first movie. I I like the insight, but then also it's always helpful for me to have a character in a movie or a TV series that I that I like, like a likable character.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

Uh a likable character, yes, as well as maybe someone that you can relate to the struggle um of finding themselves. And that's what I really felt that Andy was trying to do. I mean, she was a serious journalist, and yet now she has this job that they kept telling her that women would die for or people would die for and and she's thinking, okay, this is not really what I went to school for or what I want, but if you're telling me that, but then her her transition to understanding in order to move forward, you sometimes have to play the game. Not everybody would agree with that, even today. Uh, even the second movie's now 20 years later. What do you think? Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:59

You know, you absolutely have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 39:01

You absolutely, you but you have to learn what the rules of the game are. Yeah. And for your profession and what it is that that you want to do. She had a goal in mind. Andy had a goal in mind. And so when you have that particular goal in mind, you have to be able to move yourself into an arena that allows you to understand what it is that you have to do uh to get there. So that's the first movie. So, what did you think of the sequel? Um, I was uh not as uh excited about um the Devil Wears Product 2 as I was with uh number one. Um, I thought it was a good story. It didn't excite me like the first one, but it's 20 years later as well. Sequels are tough. So sequels are t tough, but I'm wondering, I'm probably at a different stage in my life. I think you still love the fashion, you still love the I do. I I love I love being able to dress in a certain kind of way and present myself in a certain kind of way and pay attention to those kinds of things. Um, I didn't think the character development was um as good in absolutely agree with that, in uh Nepal Wears Product 2. I felt that it was a little light uh in terms of um even the storyline um lack some depth.

SPEAKER_01 40:20

Yes, yeah, it did. It really it yes, yes. I I agree with you. So, for example, like in the first one, uh, you get like Andy again, the main character, you you see the Anne Hathaway, excuse me.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Anne Hathaway, she she um she did a really good job.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

She did yeah, just this is not a critique of Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway has been fantastic, both on screen and off-screen. Yes, yes. I'm a fan of her. I hope that she doesn't do anything crazy, you know. You say you're a fan of somebody, then folks go off the rails. Um, also, spoiler alert again for uh the Devil Wars product too. So if you have not seen it, pause, fast forward, and then come back and listen afterwards. Okay. Um but like they in the first movie they talked about her relationship and the ebbs and foes of her relationship. In the second movie, there was this like there was no there was no true storytelling. They just kind of hit on it. I don't know if their chemistry was there.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

And then even Emily, Emily, who is um one of the outstanding Emily Blunt, her nemesis, but also her friend in some movies.

SPEAKER_01 41:26

Yeah, friend-ish.

SPEAKER_03 41:28

Yes. Um that's good, friend-ish, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:31

So you even like her personal life, she mentions that she has kids, but is divorced, and then you get like one other scene with them, like on a Zoom or something, and then like, and I'm like, but then who like who are these people truly?

SPEAKER_03 41:44

I'm not sure what the goal was with the lack of depth in terms of character development. And as we said at the beginning uh of this conversation about this particular movie, they have been marketing it and promoting it and going here and there and everywhere, and the all of the different characters have been showing up on all of the talk shows. And so I'm wondering is it the fact that it took 20 years and they didn't know what to do now? Because the industry has changed so much. And so trying to maybe um weave the industry, the fashion industry, um, they they were trying to talk about, or they I guess attempting um to make sure we understood it's it's new, it's different, everything is digital today. And so I think whoever the writers were, they had a problem with weaving in today's world with the characters that were so very popular of yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 42:43

So I actually looked because we went together to see this movie, and we went with uh uh a dear friend of ours, and then we were talking about it afterwards, and she had the question. She was like, There's no way it was the same writer. And so I looked it up. Oh, I was like, that's actually a good question because it seems so different in terms of the storytelling. Yes, same writer was involved. No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we were like, is it was it AI? Is that why there's so um I did appreciate the attempt to talk about the importance of journalism and uh the importance of uh incorporating truth and what truly matters um into the story and also into fashion, which is probably more of a conversation to your point today than it was perhaps 20 years ago as we talk about sustainable fashion, all these types of things. Um and so I I appreciate the the attempt. I did find it to be uh relevant in some ways, uh, but I I just I wish that that they could have gone deeper. And there were a ton of cameos in the movie. I mean, I feel everybody was in that movie. I mean um literally everybody, you know, everybody had a cameo. Uh and I thought that was okay, but a little gimmicky.

SPEAKER_03 44:09

Yes, right. And you wonder why. Well, if you had that great uh history and character development, but you know, they always say the sequels are never as good as the original, anyways.

SPEAKER_01 44:20

I think I could appreciate some of the um some of the cameos of the people who are like truly in fashion, like the La Roche. Um, and they had some models uh there who you know you'd recognize, like the Winnie Harlows. And so I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, I know. But then like some of the random TV personalities or the random like Yeah. I'm like, well, how's she getting in it? Well, you know I realized it was like an industry party that everybody is supposed to be, but I'm like, you know.

SPEAKER_03 44:48

Um okay, so bottom line is uh for those of you who love to go to movies, you know, you can go see it and enjoy it, and maybe tell let us know what you think. We'd love to hear from you about uh what you thought about this movie. I think they loved it. Oh, really? Yeah. We're the exception, and you and I agree that we're oh my goodness. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

I mean, I I I enjoyed it. I'm glad that I went. Oh, yes, absolutely. And um, I would recommend anybody who, you know, read the book or saw the first one or like go. Because I it was worth my time. I didn't walk out of that movie um wishing that I could get two hours of my life back. I just would have gone to see Michael and get no one.

unknown 45:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:32

Okay, okay, okay, all right. Some people have pointed out the sequence in which we watched the movies was probably a challenge. Like, had you seen it first and then Michael second, maybe your expectations for movies were, you know. Um yeah. So that that's our movie review.

SPEAKER_03 45:48

So people know what we've been doing this week. We've been going to the movies.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

We yes, that that's a part of what we've been doing this week. But even in our focus on the big screen, I all over the internet. I we I have not been able to escape this conversation around Megan Stallion, who we love on this podcast and support her um and all things, and her breakup with her boyfriend Clay Thompson. Oh, I was so sad. Were you?

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Well, I was sad because I just felt like the Clay Thompson that I thought I knew from afar. From way, way, way, way back, yeah, when he was back in one of the uh Splash Brothers uh playing with uh Steph Curry persona. That's what it is. Yes, that's what it was. Yeah, and and so uh, and of course, um he he cheated on her. They people thought that this was allegedly.

SPEAKER_01 46:40

She said that he cheated, he hadn't said anything yet.

SPEAKER_03 46:42

Oh, he hasn't?

SPEAKER_01 46:43

Not as of this podcast recording, he hasn't responded. It's just so she came out on uh social media with a story and said that she essentially just needs more respect in a relationship and that he did cheat on her and uh that won't be tolerated. She's she said some other things too, but that's the gist of it.

SPEAKER_03 47:04

Okay, all right. So, but he has not responded. So um, in some of the comments that I have seen, there was um the facts that maybe he's done this in the past as well, that this wasn't the first time. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Right. Um, hopefully she knows. Um but yeah, you know, taken. I when I okay, so I I saw it and then I immediately felt sad for her because we've all been in a breakup, uh, you know, at some point in our lives, and we know like it sucks, it hurts. And regardless of the reason, like, you know, it's we knew that that's not what she wanted, and she had been so uh invested. She's been public and she's been very invested in that relationship. Very invested in the relationship. And so my next couple of thoughts were um, you know, you will get through this, and I'm hope, I'm hoping that you have the support system around you to help you get through it. Uh Clay Thompson is not the end all be all, Meg the stallion. Like, you got this on life, like you got this. But also um as we look for deeper lessons, perhaps, and I know social media and and building your persona and your image is a part of her job, but I don't know that your relationship has to be a part of the job. So perhaps like protecting that a little more. Not that that would have caused anything different. Anything different, but in terms of how uh the chatter can kind of decrease.

SPEAKER_03 48:49

I I believe that uh that's good advice. Uh, just in general, I'm not sure why you would want to have your personal relationship uh as public on social media. You've heard me say this before. I don't understand the need to tell everything about what you're doing, where you're going, what you had for dinner, and what you prepared for your loved ones. I have because I don't know why people show well, why why why do people show what the meal has been? I mean, I just am I really interested in the meal that you prepared, and then you show it if you have video, but that's okay. That's another so yes, I I I agree with you. I also believe that because of the challenges that she's had in her life, I mean the loss of her father when she was young, and then her mother, and then her grandma, the people who who loved her, nurtured her. I I know that she's had some um some other challenges, even in terms of relationships. So lots of challenges in terms of relationships. So let us then decide to um spend quiet time, go inside, figure out what you need, what you want, and then maybe give yourself a break here and uh pray to be able to choose a little bit better.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

Pray in therapy, yeah. Figure out why some of the decisions um that you're making. Because you're right, I I think her history, which I despise the fact that that's being brought up in the conversation. It does not matter how many people she's dated, uh, except for people know because she has been so public about it.

SPEAKER_03 50:15

But that's what social media is all about. I mean, there's this need to be able to say, ooh, look at who I'm with and look at what we're doing. Yeah, but she's Meg The Stallion. Well, I know, but uh doesn't matter because of the way that society is today. And that is a challenge. You know that I I truly don't believe that every single thing that everybody does for 24 hours should be out on the internet. That makes no sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

Yeah, I mean, um, yeah, my my um my hope for her is yes, prayer, therapy, and uh perhaps taking a break from basketball players and the rappers. Like honestly, they there are better fields to pick from. And you know, just kind of maybe go from there. You're gonna be all right, Megan.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

I I read one comment that said um she needs to have a conversation with um Venus and Serena, and they can give her some advice. And I thought, oh, so people are suggesting are suggesting that she go a whole nother way, and um, which is which is kind of interesting, but uh that isn't the solution to the problem.

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Well, like you can do what you gotta do.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

No, you know, um men get a pass a lot of times uh when they uh have these kinds of uh alleged relationships and uh affairs, and then people start then talking about the woman and and uh then their past uh relationship. And it's not it's not even equal in terms of.

SPEAKER_01 51:42

No, there's certainly a double standard. I agree with you there. Although I don't think that's like Thompson's getting a past, he is getting dragged, rightfully so. Um you know what he said? He said that Oh, so he has sent me. Sorry, via what she said. Oh, uh that it's he's into like non-monog like he doesn't want to be monogamous.

SPEAKER_03 52:04

And why are you dating me anyway? Because in our conversation then, if you had told me that, I would have said. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

So I okay. All right, again, our opinions. Yeah, our opinions. Um, but you got this, Megan, and we want better for you. And there's so much better out there than Clay Thompson. Yeah, I'm hating on him. Yes, yeah, due to behavior, due to bad behavior. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

See, he shouldn't have left never mind, I'm not gonna get into baseball.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

So you actually know. No, it's funny because people are like, she made him famous, and then people were like, Well, he did have like a whole career, but she I know his name because of her. She's Megan the Stallion.

SPEAKER_03 52:50

No, I knew I I knew him long before I knew her. Because of that remote stuff, yes, yes, yes. Different ages, you know, different different angles and and and everything. So but there's there's a lot going on out there, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:06

So there's a lot going on. Uh, just one other topic for us to to chat about that came up this week. Uh Pew research, uh, the think tank came out and said that college graduates are regretting their college degrees. I was like, really? It made me do like a deep. I'm like, are you sure who you're talking to? Ooh. And I was like, I that I feel like that is too general a statement to make because that's like a headline. Okay. It's a headline because I'm like, it's so much more nuanced than that. Because what we do know is that like if you uh if we're gonna talk in generalities, you make like you make more money if you you know go to college. Now I realize it's a tricky time uh across the board in terms of employment and and salaries or money and folks are are struggling, but I do think it's a mistake to just kind of tell people not to go to college. And also your your the degree that you choose to pursue matters. Like there is a difference if you choose to major in science and engineering versus if you choose to major in uh something else, history, uh liberal arts education.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

Uh this past week I was at a council meeting for one of the university boards that I that I sit on, and we actually had a conversation about this. We talked about the uh student of the future, we talked about in uh this particular uh meeting was with the College of Arts and Sciences, and um the council members were talking about how they're going to restructure the department um based upon the needs of the college students today. We didn't talk about the cost of education in this particular meeting, but because I I sit, as you know, on the um higher board of of um my alma mater, and we've talked about the cost of higher education over the board over the long haul. And it is expensive. Research I I think today is not only indicating uh what is it that students want, but what do they need? So you got uh information, uh you had education, but you got a lot more when you were going to college as well.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

Oh, absolutely, yes, it's a holistic experience. And I was like, so what I'm also asking, okay, so you don't want folks to go to college. What do you want them to do?

SPEAKER_03 55:37

No, they don't want folks to have to have a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand dollars worth of debt. They're they're they're saying they can't pay back they can't pay back.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

Because uh you can have the debt, because I you you take out student loan, you get the job, you pay it back, is essentially the the the sales uh part of it all or what we're sold. And so yeah, the challenge is that people can't pay their student loans back.

SPEAKER_03 55:55

Um and then how long does it take and how does that impact uh the rest of your life and your family life and your buying a house and being able to live a particular life? So uh, in reading some of the information, um just uh in preparation for my council meetings and uh my university boards, what we understand is that you need to be able to get a job, you need to be able to work, but you also need to be able to value yourself and your skill sets. And what you're doing today, you might not be doing tomorrow. That is the difference.

SPEAKER_01 56:27

That's true. Yeah, you have more flexibility for sure. And some of the conversations around this, um, folks are like, yeah, you don't need to go to college, just go uh go to trade school and do a trade. Um, which is fine, choose your path, but I think it it's worth taking a look at again with the long-term earning potential for both our and how you might want to view your future and the impact on your body. Uh, from what little I know your body, yeah. Well, little I know about the trades, like it can be very physically taxing. Yes, you know, yes. And you know, also sitting at a desk in front of the computer, you know, some it can be physically taxing in a different type of way, I suppose. But I just I don't know. It rubbed me the wrong way without having like a really good solution on the other end.

SPEAKER_03 57:18

Well, I think your journey is one that you need to think long and hard about. A lot of people say, let's go to community college, get an associate's degree, and then maybe go to one of the larger universities where you have a really high price tag and be able to go into your profession. And what you're doing today is not necessarily what you might be doing five years from now or 10 years from now, but you'll be able to grow from that experience. I believe that life should be continuous learning anyway. Yeah. And so you you have an opportunity to learn and grow. Um what college provide excuse me, what college provides for you is an opportunity to explore a lot of different areas of study and to be able to grow as an individual, to be able to grow up, if you will, and to be able to make some uh decisions that can impact your life 20, 30, 40 years from now. Yeah. And to develop friendships and socialization and to be able to get some of those skills that can help be had.

SPEAKER_01 58:14

It's also I found a very different conversation. Um, I don't know who this I will they put out the study um overall, but uh there's there's circles that absolutely are like, yeah, consider like the trades and consider like other other options outside of college. Um and then there are other circles that are like that's that never even comes up. I will give you an example. So um why don't you give me an example? Yeah.

unknown 58:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 58:43

Um I went to a private school. And so I uh am still like in that in that network. At no time, at any point, were any of those parents saying you have the option not to go to college. That's true. Because this is your expectation for your future, explain otherwise. Well, the the yes, okay. Then, okay, and so then I was at another event where there's a broader intersection of education professionals, uh, public schools, and things um of that nature. And they were talking about like, oh, how can we uh, you know, help these students find other life paths and things, and uh, you know, college maybe, but maybe that's not for them, you know. Maybe we'll do like something else. It was a totally different conversation. And I'm like, oh, they're trying to set up a workforce, you know, and not necessarily the the leaders of tomorrow in a certain type of way. It struck me, the difference in the conversation struck me. And so I just to your point, to the degree that you can, because life ebbs and flows, and you, you know, professions change, and it's unrealistic to know exactly what it is you want to do at the age of 20 or 22 or 18 necessarily, but we know give yourself as many options as possible. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 59:57

And we do know that that college is not for everybody, and statistically, what what is being said is that the students today have many more options, and a lot of people have make a lot of money that don't go to college. And however, I'm not sure that life is so much better for them. What college provides are all those things that I mentioned before, but it gives you some options.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:22

Yeah. And then again, I look at the long term, like make a lot of money, make a lot of money, uh long term, make a lot of money immediately. You know, I just statistically with a college degree, you still out-earn. I mean, and it's like three or four, five times. I mean, it's not even like a little bit, it's not like percentage. And so um I I just thought it was an interesting interesting study. And we've brought up college and and different things and count and all the things like in the past. And so it's a continuity of college.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:50

The purpose of this Pew research was to allow us to know that colleges are not as important today, or was there a uh was there a point for that?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:02

Well, you know, I mean, just you know, just the headline. I I it could have, I mean, Pew Research is a reputable organization though, so I wouldn't say it was just the headline. I think perhaps they're they're also trying to figure it out too, because it is a crisis. The cost of education of higher education is a crisis. Yes. Um that needs to be addressed. And uh so perhaps they're just uh benchmarking kind of where we are, and also the sentiment that people are feeling, which is also very much valid because if you go to a school and you don't feel like you are getting the job that allows you to be a productive member of society, whatever that means to you, then that's a problem.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:37

Uh, one of the things that colleges and universities are doing now is they are serving their gr recent graduates, um, and they're asking questions like, are you working in the profession that you went to college for? Um, how long did it take you to get a job? Good question. Are you uh are you going on to graduate school? I mean, they they they're asking graduates that were recent graduates where they are in the life circle.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:03

And for the um colleges of of um liberal arts and uh some of the more expensive colleges, they find that individuals who are pursuing advanced degrees are pleased with their decisions and the fact that they are going to move forward in their professions. They find that uh a high percentage of the graduates are working in some aspect of the field that they want to go into today, realizing that that may not be where they are going to be long term. So very good. Well, um, I will not be going to the movies this week, but I'll be doing I'm movied out for the moment, but um I do look forward to uh doing some more reading and research. And I'm particularly interested in this topic because you know I I love higher education and uh and it's meaningful.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:52

So well, we'll we'll continue to track it.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:54

Okay, thank you for sharing that with me.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:55

Yeah, of course, and thank you for the conversation as always. Um, you get some rest after your party and continue to digest your champagnes. I will do that. I'm gonna go take some nightwill.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:06

Okay, I'm glad you're feeling better. I am. And for those of you who are out there either watching us or listening, we want um you to have a good, healthy um week. Take care of yourselves, and we also want you to live a life you love, and we will see you next week.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:23

Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

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